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	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Technology doesn&#8217;t drive communities, people do by Joao Alves</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/07/27/technology-doesnt-drive-communities-people-do/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Joao Alves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the example with Twitter. It makes your point quite clear although it's not a controversial issue. I think it's of general consensus that people make communities, not the technology itself. Technology is just a means that facilitates communities to form. Without it hundreds of communities wouldn't even exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the example with Twitter. It makes your point quite clear although it&#8217;s not a controversial issue. I think it&#8217;s of general consensus that people make communities, not the technology itself. Technology is just a means that facilitates communities to form. Without it hundreds of communities wouldn&#8217;t even exist.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Self-Directed Learning as a Threshold Concept by leighblackall</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/08/20/self-directed-learning-as-a-threshold-concept/#comment-681</link>
		<dc:creator>leighblackall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I think it is fair enough. A little matra I use when teaching is "teaching people how to learn" (which often doesn't go down well with people not yet at the threshold and just want me to tell them :) Have you seen the little book, &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_as_a_Subversive_Activity" rel="nofollow"&gt;Teaching as a subversive activity&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think it is fair enough. A little matra I use when teaching is &#8220;teaching people how to learn&#8221; (which often doesn&#8217;t go down well with people not yet at the threshold and just want me to tell them <img src='http://techticker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Have you seen the little book, <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_as_a_Subversive_Activity" rel="nofollow">Teaching as a subversive activity</a></i></p>
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		<title>Comment on The nature of blog discussions by Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/08/18/the-nature-of-blog-discussions/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The nature of blog discussions by Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/08/18/the-nature-of-blog-discussions/#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The nature of blog discussions by artie</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/08/18/the-nature-of-blog-discussions/#comment-655</link>
		<dc:creator>artie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blogging is great. I feel that forums are generally kind of stoopid. I read that forum a couple of weeks ago but enjoy reading the blogs more. The blogging is more focused and I can get a better idea of who thinks what. Forum tend to get real muddy and mushy and it's harder to sort out who thinks what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blogging is great. I feel that forums are generally kind of stoopid. I read that forum a couple of weeks ago but enjoy reading the blogs more. The blogging is more focused and I can get a better idea of who thinks what. Forum tend to get real muddy and mushy and it&#8217;s harder to sort out who thinks what.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The nature of blog discussions by Valerie</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/08/18/the-nature-of-blog-discussions/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FOC08 community has been very interesting to observe. Even though the directions are very explicit about creating blog entries to respond to the assignment questions, the discussion forums are getting tons of traffic. This seems to reflect a  wide-spread need for immediate interaction. While it is interesting and in many cases helpful, it significantly increases the workload associated with the course.

The urgency is in part, a function of the time limits imposed by the course schedule. "If this is week 3, then I should be understanding the topic of "community" better than I do, so I'll post to the discussion board for lots of visibility and instant feedback..."

However, the course progress is very different that it would be if participants just blogged. It will be interesting to see if the discussion forum posting continue now this precedent has been set. Or, will participants find the blogging response appropriate for this course and their learning expectations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FOC08 community has been very interesting to observe. Even though the directions are very explicit about creating blog entries to respond to the assignment questions, the discussion forums are getting tons of traffic. This seems to reflect a  wide-spread need for immediate interaction. While it is interesting and in many cases helpful, it significantly increases the workload associated with the course.</p>
<p>The urgency is in part, a function of the time limits imposed by the course schedule. &#8220;If this is week 3, then I should be understanding the topic of &#8220;community&#8221; better than I do, so I&#8217;ll post to the discussion board for lots of visibility and instant feedback&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>However, the course progress is very different that it would be if participants just blogged. It will be interesting to see if the discussion forum posting continue now this precedent has been set. Or, will participants find the blogging response appropriate for this course and their learning expectations?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The nature of blog discussions by artie</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/08/18/the-nature-of-blog-discussions/#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>artie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm blogging for the Facilitating Online Communities course also so this was interesting. I'm new to blogging and think I like it much better than forums for the very reasons you mention. seems to me that blogging is a good place for random commenting but I don't think that forums should be like that. They ought to be set up to emphasize ordinal forms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m blogging for the Facilitating Online Communities course also so this was interesting. I&#8217;m new to blogging and think I like it much better than forums for the very reasons you mention. seems to me that blogging is a good place for random commenting but I don&#8217;t think that forums should be like that. They ought to be set up to emphasize ordinal forms.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discord in SecondLife as a Learning Mechanism by Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/08/14/discord-in-secondlife-as-a-learning-mechanism/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;"...it may be that the broader social context of Universities...makes SL inappropriate for a Uni context."&lt;/em&gt;

That thought has definitely crossed my mind, and for a number of reasons I think - learning curve and current culture being amongst them.  As our colleague said at the presentation the other day in the OMB (don't think I should quote him by name in a public forum without permission), the ultimate choice of tool must depend on existing circumstances.  I wonder to what degree - good or bad - this will have to consider the existing norms and culture in which the tool is embedded?

On the other hand, I also wonder the degree to which use of tools like SecondLife and others that devolve control, power and choice to the learner could in fact influence cultural change?  I wonder if that's what they mean by disruptive technology?

I'll be interested in seeing how things go with my FOC course in that respect.  There are students who have never been in SecondLife before and will have to get their sea legs within a very short period of time.  The course is open enrollment though and can be taken without credit, so there is the notion of self-directed learning to a fair degree - but nonetheless it will be an interesting use case.

Now as far as the informal aspects you mentioned, how do you mean?  Can you give an example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;it may be that the broader social context of Universities&#8230;makes SL inappropriate for a Uni context.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>That thought has definitely crossed my mind, and for a number of reasons I think - learning curve and current culture being amongst them.  As our colleague said at the presentation the other day in the OMB (don&#8217;t think I should quote him by name in a public forum without permission), the ultimate choice of tool must depend on existing circumstances.  I wonder to what degree - good or bad - this will have to consider the existing norms and culture in which the tool is embedded?</p>
<p>On the other hand, I also wonder the degree to which use of tools like SecondLife and others that devolve control, power and choice to the learner could in fact influence cultural change?  I wonder if that&#8217;s what they mean by disruptive technology?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be interested in seeing how things go with my FOC course in that respect.  There are students who have never been in SecondLife before and will have to get their sea legs within a very short period of time.  The course is open enrollment though and can be taken without credit, so there is the notion of self-directed learning to a fair degree - but nonetheless it will be an interesting use case.</p>
<p>Now as far as the informal aspects you mentioned, how do you mean?  Can you give an example?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discord in SecondLife as a Learning Mechanism by Roz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you considered that this may be part of issue around selecting appropriate tools?  Whilst it won't be true for all courses, it may be that the broader social context of Universities  (their obligations to industry, their desire to market based on measurably student grades) makes SL inappropriate for a Uni context.

Learning happens outside of Universities.  I, for one, am slightly concerned about the desire expressed by Universities to adopt more informal aspects of learning.  I don't think that everything from the informal world be should be taken to the formal, despite the popularity of the informal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you considered that this may be part of issue around selecting appropriate tools?  Whilst it won&#8217;t be true for all courses, it may be that the broader social context of Universities  (their obligations to industry, their desire to market based on measurably student grades) makes SL inappropriate for a Uni context.</p>
<p>Learning happens outside of Universities.  I, for one, am slightly concerned about the desire expressed by Universities to adopt more informal aspects of learning.  I don&#8217;t think that everything from the informal world be should be taken to the formal, despite the popularity of the informal.</p>
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		<title>Comment on What is an online community? by Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/08/13/what-is-an-online-community/#comment-641</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean like the "creepy treehouse" phenomenon?  

For the record, this quote from Flexknowlogy ("&lt;a href="http://flexknowlogy.learningfield.org/2008/04/09/defining-creepy-tree-house/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Defining 'Creepy Treehouse'&lt;/a&gt;"):

&lt;blockquote&gt;In the field of educational technology a creepy treehouse is an institutionally controlled technology/tool that emulates or mimics pre-existing technologies or tools that may already be in use by the learners, or by learners’ peer groups. Though such systems may be seen as innovative or problem-solving to the institution, they may repulse some users who see them as infringement on the sanctity of their peer groups, or as having the potential for institutional violations of their privacy, liberty, ownership, or creativity. Some users may simply object to the influence of the institution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One of my colleagues did an informal survey of his students to see whether this notion had any validity to it and a fair amount of them said "yes."  I can't recall the statistics, but it does suggest that some areas - like school and private life - should be kept separate.

That said, as you say, when 3rd party tools like Google make it virtually impossible to separate your online activities, it raises some very interesting implications for online interaction in general.

Personally I've adopted a different attitude about it all.  I have so many accounts on so many sites across the internet there is no way I can maintain any sort of anonymity, so I just behave under the assumption that people I don't want to find me will anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean like the &#8220;creepy treehouse&#8221; phenomenon?  </p>
<p>For the record, this quote from Flexknowlogy (&#8221;<a href="http://flexknowlogy.learningfield.org/2008/04/09/defining-creepy-tree-house/" rel="nofollow">Defining &#8216;Creepy Treehouse&#8217;</a>&#8220;):</p>
<blockquote><p>In the field of educational technology a creepy treehouse is an institutionally controlled technology/tool that emulates or mimics pre-existing technologies or tools that may already be in use by the learners, or by learners’ peer groups. Though such systems may be seen as innovative or problem-solving to the institution, they may repulse some users who see them as infringement on the sanctity of their peer groups, or as having the potential for institutional violations of their privacy, liberty, ownership, or creativity. Some users may simply object to the influence of the institution.</p></blockquote>
<p>One of my colleagues did an informal survey of his students to see whether this notion had any validity to it and a fair amount of them said &#8220;yes.&#8221;  I can&#8217;t recall the statistics, but it does suggest that some areas - like school and private life - should be kept separate.</p>
<p>That said, as you say, when 3rd party tools like Google make it virtually impossible to separate your online activities, it raises some very interesting implications for online interaction in general.</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;ve adopted a different attitude about it all.  I have so many accounts on so many sites across the internet there is no way I can maintain any sort of anonymity, so I just behave under the assumption that people I don&#8217;t want to find me will anyway.</p>
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