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		<title>By: Holistic Blogging &#124; TechTicker</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2009/03/24/privacy-and-openness/comment-page-1/#comment-3739</link>
		<dc:creator>Holistic Blogging &#124; TechTicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2009 in Digital Culture &amp; the Internet  In a discussion on digital identity the other day I expressed a concern that I have a tendency to hide behind abstract theory in order to avoid revealing too much [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2009/03/24/privacy-and-openness/comment-page-1/#comment-3641</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Besides, do you think emergence would play a part in blogging - in terms of truth disclosed by blogger?&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

The short answer is: I have no idea :) I haven&#039;t heard the term &quot;emergence&quot; used in that context before.  I just did a quick search for emergence theory and see that Stephen Downes and Tony Bates have been discussing this recently in an ongoing series of blog posts (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tonybates.ca/2009/03/12/does-technology-change-the-nature-of-knowledge/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-nature-of-knowledge.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tonybates.ca/2009/03/22/bates-and-downes-on-new-knowledge-round-3/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;3&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-on-new-knowledge.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;4&lt;/a&gt;), but I need to read up on it first before I answer.

I&#039;ll get back to you on that :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Besides, do you think emergence would play a part in blogging &#8211; in terms of truth disclosed by blogger?&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The short answer is: I have no idea <img src='http://techticker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I haven&#8217;t heard the term &#8220;emergence&#8221; used in that context before.  I just did a quick search for emergence theory and see that Stephen Downes and Tony Bates have been discussing this recently in an ongoing series of blog posts (<a href="http://www.tonybates.ca/2009/03/12/does-technology-change-the-nature-of-knowledge/" rel="nofollow">1</a>, <a href="http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-nature-of-knowledge.html" rel="nofollow">2</a>, <a href="http://www.tonybates.ca/2009/03/22/bates-and-downes-on-new-knowledge-round-3/" rel="nofollow">3</a>, and <a href="http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2009/03/more-on-new-knowledge.html" rel="nofollow">4</a>), but I need to read up on it first before I answer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll get back to you on that <img src='http://techticker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2009/03/24/privacy-and-openness/comment-page-1/#comment-3640</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, sorry about that Jenny!  I didn&#039;t mean to misrepresent what you&#039;d said. :(


I know what you mean about not wanting to offend people.  That&#039;s a concern of mine as well.  In that sense I think writing objectively is really important - not to mention writing consciously and thoughtfully.  Discussion can be a really healthy thing when people consider the feelings of others.  

I&#039;ve had some great conversations with people about topics that we fundamentally disagreed agreed about, and yet were really interesting and enjoyable because it was driven by mutual respect and consideration of each others opinions.

Given critical thinking skills are one of the core elements of education I think that people should expect that their views will be challenged sometimes - in some regards that&#039;s how we grow and learn.  The important thing is how the conversation happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, sorry about that Jenny!  I didn&#8217;t mean to misrepresent what you&#8217;d said. <img src='http://techticker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I know what you mean about not wanting to offend people.  That&#8217;s a concern of mine as well.  In that sense I think writing objectively is really important &#8211; not to mention writing consciously and thoughtfully.  Discussion can be a really healthy thing when people consider the feelings of others.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had some great conversations with people about topics that we fundamentally disagreed agreed about, and yet were really interesting and enjoyable because it was driven by mutual respect and consideration of each others opinions.</p>
<p>Given critical thinking skills are one of the core elements of education I think that people should expect that their views will be challenged sometimes &#8211; in some regards that&#8217;s how we grow and learn.  The important thing is how the conversation happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny Mackness</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2009/03/24/privacy-and-openness/comment-page-1/#comment-3632</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny Mackness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike - Thanks for your interest in my very short post! Just to say that I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that omission of data is equivalent to not telling the truth. That sort of implies that what has been written is not the truth, which I don&#039;t think is the case.

I think that what is written can be the truth whilst at the same time as acknowledging that the omissions may be the truth/s that cannot be exposed. So what is written may not be the full truth.

In my case I would often like to write &#039;the full truth&#039;, but usually don&#039;t for fear of getting it wrong and offending someone. Also often &#039;the full truth&#039; is just as offensive or hurtful to the person doing the writing as it would be to the reader. Too disturbing for comfort!

I&#039;m rambling now, so I&#039;ll stop. I enjoy reading your blog, because you always seem to manage to &#039;say it as it is&#039;  and don&#039;t &#039;spin yarns&#039; for the sake of the audience.

Jenny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike &#8211; Thanks for your interest in my very short post! Just to say that I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that omission of data is equivalent to not telling the truth. That sort of implies that what has been written is not the truth, which I don&#8217;t think is the case.</p>
<p>I think that what is written can be the truth whilst at the same time as acknowledging that the omissions may be the truth/s that cannot be exposed. So what is written may not be the full truth.</p>
<p>In my case I would often like to write &#8216;the full truth&#8217;, but usually don&#8217;t for fear of getting it wrong and offending someone. Also often &#8216;the full truth&#8217; is just as offensive or hurtful to the person doing the writing as it would be to the reader. Too disturbing for comfort!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rambling now, so I&#8217;ll stop. I enjoy reading your blog, because you always seem to manage to &#8216;say it as it is&#8217;  and don&#8217;t &#8216;spin yarns&#8217; for the sake of the audience.</p>
<p>Jenny</p>
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		<title>By: Sui Fai John Mak</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2009/03/24/privacy-and-openness/comment-page-1/#comment-3615</link>
		<dc:creator>Sui Fai John Mak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
I share your concerns, especially with internet security.  I have been bombarded by SPAMS, internet dating services on SKYPE and unsolicited emails.  I am not upset though, but I am really concern if this continues.  Think about this for our students, how would they be impacted.  So, truthful blogs are good, openness is a virtue.  But equally important, is to maintain personal privacy and protect our own security.  This may be dilemma.  
Besides, do you think emergence would play a part in blogging - in terms of truth disclosed by blogger?  I have left some comments on Jenny&#039;s blog as well.
Great to learn your views on this. Fantastic post.
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I share your concerns, especially with internet security.  I have been bombarded by SPAMS, internet dating services on SKYPE and unsolicited emails.  I am not upset though, but I am really concern if this continues.  Think about this for our students, how would they be impacted.  So, truthful blogs are good, openness is a virtue.  But equally important, is to maintain personal privacy and protect our own security.  This may be dilemma.<br />
Besides, do you think emergence would play a part in blogging &#8211; in terms of truth disclosed by blogger?  I have left some comments on Jenny&#8217;s blog as well.<br />
Great to learn your views on this. Fantastic post.<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2009/03/24/privacy-and-openness/comment-page-1/#comment-3614</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been many times when I thought that setting up an anonymous blog using a pen name would free me to discuss things that I&#039;m too afraid to put my name to (nothing illegal, just a bit too personal to share here) but I know too well how easy it is to connect the dots and determine someone&#039;s real identity, so I&#039;ve always balked.  

Plus strangely enough I think I&#039;d still be concerned about what people think even though they wouldn&#039;t see my real name - it&#039;s the feeling of vulnerability and exposure in the sharing of personal thoughts that seems to be the sticking point, not using my true identity.

This train of thought has made me view private discussion groups and private networking sites in a new light.  Historically I haven&#039;t really seen the point of restricting access behind a login, but then I realised that I&#039;m doing much the same thing by not discussing certain topics at all and hiding behind abstract theory instead of real world experiences.  

With a password-protected site you maintain the ability to discuss things with people you trust.  Locking it up in your brain doesn&#039;t afford the same opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been many times when I thought that setting up an anonymous blog using a pen name would free me to discuss things that I&#8217;m too afraid to put my name to (nothing illegal, just a bit too personal to share here) but I know too well how easy it is to connect the dots and determine someone&#8217;s real identity, so I&#8217;ve always balked.  </p>
<p>Plus strangely enough I think I&#8217;d still be concerned about what people think even though they wouldn&#8217;t see my real name &#8211; it&#8217;s the feeling of vulnerability and exposure in the sharing of personal thoughts that seems to be the sticking point, not using my true identity.</p>
<p>This train of thought has made me view private discussion groups and private networking sites in a new light.  Historically I haven&#8217;t really seen the point of restricting access behind a login, but then I realised that I&#8217;m doing much the same thing by not discussing certain topics at all and hiding behind abstract theory instead of real world experiences.  </p>
<p>With a password-protected site you maintain the ability to discuss things with people you trust.  Locking it up in your brain doesn&#8217;t afford the same opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Smith</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2009/03/24/privacy-and-openness/comment-page-1/#comment-3612</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts on this topic.  I think I&#039;ve suffered from the opposite problem to what you describe in that I sometimes have used blogging to express things that I wouldn&#039;t shout to the world in real life.  This is because for me the internet is not as &quot;real&quot;.  There&#039;s a balance to be struck here and the crowded train effect is a good analogy.  I think we need to be more deliberate about what we say in public and to use a graduation of closed-ness as well by using sites which can post to a group of trusted friends and then private one-on-one communication. (bearing in mind that people can cut and paste what you say just as in real life people can gossip)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts on this topic.  I think I&#8217;ve suffered from the opposite problem to what you describe in that I sometimes have used blogging to express things that I wouldn&#8217;t shout to the world in real life.  This is because for me the internet is not as &#8220;real&#8221;.  There&#8217;s a balance to be struck here and the crowded train effect is a good analogy.  I think we need to be more deliberate about what we say in public and to use a graduation of closed-ness as well by using sites which can post to a group of trusted friends and then private one-on-one communication. (bearing in mind that people can cut and paste what you say just as in real life people can gossip)</p>
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