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		<title>By: Anita</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/11/27/castles-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-2235</link>
		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike, great to hear your thoughts on this.  I am an OT educator and I am passionate about linking occupational therapists in the online environment... my barriers are these:
1. Health care practitioners are people-people, therefore a computer is seen as a barrier to their ultimate goal of working with people (even though Web 2.0 IS so interactive!!!).
2. The curriculum is so tight that it is almost impossible to embed new technologies without going over the allowed hours.
3. Students are competitive for grades and do not like to share their new knowledge (not all of them, but most of them) and this means that Web 2.0 is counter-intuitive to their ingrained learning modes.
4. Students are feeling pressured to &quot;get through the curriculum&quot; not taking time to think and problem solve, so taking time to work collaboratively is like pulling teeth.
5. Students have become more like &quot;consumers&quot; of an education product as opposed to creators of their own knowledge, therefore point 4 applies again.
6. Health care practice settings do not allow Internet access or time to build online networks, therefore it is all on your own time and from home.
HOWEVER... I believe that it is important to create opportunities for networked learning as it is the key to lifelong learning.
My experience tells me to:
1. Start small first (small technology tasks that don&#039;t have huge grades attached)
2. Run parallel education sessions about Web 2.0 technology for health care practitioners in the field, so that there is a willing audience waiting for our graduates
3. Reduce components of the curriculum if possible to create space for learning about online technologies (wikis, blogs, podcasts, and SL)
4. Network with others who are having success and ask them for help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, great to hear your thoughts on this.  I am an OT educator and I am passionate about linking occupational therapists in the online environment&#8230; my barriers are these:<br />
1. Health care practitioners are people-people, therefore a computer is seen as a barrier to their ultimate goal of working with people (even though Web 2.0 IS so interactive!!!).<br />
2. The curriculum is so tight that it is almost impossible to embed new technologies without going over the allowed hours.<br />
3. Students are competitive for grades and do not like to share their new knowledge (not all of them, but most of them) and this means that Web 2.0 is counter-intuitive to their ingrained learning modes.<br />
4. Students are feeling pressured to &#8220;get through the curriculum&#8221; not taking time to think and problem solve, so taking time to work collaboratively is like pulling teeth.<br />
5. Students have become more like &#8220;consumers&#8221; of an education product as opposed to creators of their own knowledge, therefore point 4 applies again.<br />
6. Health care practice settings do not allow Internet access or time to build online networks, therefore it is all on your own time and from home.<br />
HOWEVER&#8230; I believe that it is important to create opportunities for networked learning as it is the key to lifelong learning.<br />
My experience tells me to:<br />
1. Start small first (small technology tasks that don&#8217;t have huge grades attached)<br />
2. Run parallel education sessions about Web 2.0 technology for health care practitioners in the field, so that there is a willing audience waiting for our graduates<br />
3. Reduce components of the curriculum if possible to create space for learning about online technologies (wikis, blogs, podcasts, and SL)<br />
4. Network with others who are having success and ask them for help!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/11/27/castles-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-2068</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stewart</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/11/27/castles-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-2067</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem we ran into this year is that there was a lot of mis-communication and information passed through the students&#039; networks which caused some grief. Unfortunately they didn&#039;t think to ask us about it. But that will happen whether they have FB accounts or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem we ran into this year is that there was a lot of mis-communication and information passed through the students&#8217; networks which caused some grief. Unfortunately they didn&#8217;t think to ask us about it. But that will happen whether they have FB accounts or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/11/27/castles-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-2066</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sarah,

Your comment about the Facebook groups is fascinating to me because that would seem to suggest the presence of network learning - at least in a small way.  For institutions and schools this raises a very interesting predicament I think, because learning is going on on a topic directly related to the course - and in that sense is quite relevant - but if we don&#039;t or can&#039;t know what it is, how can it be tied back into the course (for the benefit of other students) or incorporated into recognition in marks/grades (assuming we can&#039;t do away with them altogether).

To paraphrase the old analogy of a tree falling in the forest: &quot;If learning occurs in a network, but no instructor or institution is there to observe it; is it relevant to the school?&quot;  

I&#039;d absolutely call it learning, but when it comes to assessment it would suggest that knowledge exists that isn&#039;t adequately reflected - which means marks aren&#039;t representative of reality.

This leads me to wonder how or whether it could be tied into an adapted version of recognition of prior learning (but where the learning isn&#039;t &quot;prior&quot; it&#039;s informal).  But how?  I think the notion of using activity formats or course work that reflect or nurtures a distributed model of learning could start to tease out the learning that is occurring elsewhere, but as always the devil is in the detail.   

It seems I have way more questions than answers at this point!

Cheers,

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sarah,</p>
<p>Your comment about the Facebook groups is fascinating to me because that would seem to suggest the presence of network learning &#8211; at least in a small way.  For institutions and schools this raises a very interesting predicament I think, because learning is going on on a topic directly related to the course &#8211; and in that sense is quite relevant &#8211; but if we don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t know what it is, how can it be tied back into the course (for the benefit of other students) or incorporated into recognition in marks/grades (assuming we can&#8217;t do away with them altogether).</p>
<p>To paraphrase the old analogy of a tree falling in the forest: &#8220;If learning occurs in a network, but no instructor or institution is there to observe it; is it relevant to the school?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d absolutely call it learning, but when it comes to assessment it would suggest that knowledge exists that isn&#8217;t adequately reflected &#8211; which means marks aren&#8217;t representative of reality.</p>
<p>This leads me to wonder how or whether it could be tied into an adapted version of recognition of prior learning (but where the learning isn&#8217;t &#8220;prior&#8221; it&#8217;s informal).  But how?  I think the notion of using activity formats or course work that reflect or nurtures a distributed model of learning could start to tease out the learning that is occurring elsewhere, but as always the devil is in the detail.   </p>
<p>It seems I have way more questions than answers at this point!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stewart</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/11/27/castles-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-2064</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike, thanks for the video reply-I wish I could reply with seesmic, but my web cam isn;t working! This was the first time I watched you and you weren&#039;t bobbing up and down!  :)

What has struck me is the similarity between this approach in the original video and what we call scenario-based learning or problem-based learning.  Our students love this approach to learning (undergrads that is) but they need very clear sign posts to guide them along the way. I guess like you Mike, I&#039;m still getting my head around the whole topic and what it means to my particular discipline. 

I am interested in your comment about student learning that goes on outside of formal channels. What I am finding is that students are starting to self-organise into Facebook groups etc, but are not including us (as in lecturers). Now, that&#039;s fine by me. But the result is I don&#039;t know what is going on informally so don&#039;t know how to harness that activity. Or maybe the answer is that I do not harness it - it is actually nothing to do with me. Thanks, Mike - have a great weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike, thanks for the video reply-I wish I could reply with seesmic, but my web cam isn;t working! This was the first time I watched you and you weren&#8217;t bobbing up and down!  <img src='http://techticker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What has struck me is the similarity between this approach in the original video and what we call scenario-based learning or problem-based learning.  Our students love this approach to learning (undergrads that is) but they need very clear sign posts to guide them along the way. I guess like you Mike, I&#8217;m still getting my head around the whole topic and what it means to my particular discipline. </p>
<p>I am interested in your comment about student learning that goes on outside of formal channels. What I am finding is that students are starting to self-organise into Facebook groups etc, but are not including us (as in lecturers). Now, that&#8217;s fine by me. But the result is I don&#8217;t know what is going on informally so don&#8217;t know how to harness that activity. Or maybe the answer is that I do not harness it &#8211; it is actually nothing to do with me. Thanks, Mike &#8211; have a great weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: ailsa</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/11/27/castles-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-2061</link>
		<dc:creator>ailsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the link, I think its a great example and deserves wide viewing.  My experience of higher ed students is they like being engaged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the link, I think its a great example and deserves wide viewing.  My experience of higher ed students is they like being engaged.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/11/27/castles-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-2053</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sarah Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, Mike, it&#039;s all very well talking about the institutions coming to grip with connectivism etc etc, but what about the students? Do they want it? Can they be bothered? 

Look at us - we&#039;ve learned heaps from the connectivism course but we are extremely self-motivated. Is the average student (I&#039;m talking about higher ed) that motivated?  Do they have the time (after all they have huge workloads both in terms of study, family &amp; work)? 

Forgive me, but am feeling rather cynical today. But I wonder how much of our dream will be shared by the average student?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Mike, it&#8217;s all very well talking about the institutions coming to grip with connectivism etc etc, but what about the students? Do they want it? Can they be bothered? </p>
<p>Look at us &#8211; we&#8217;ve learned heaps from the connectivism course but we are extremely self-motivated. Is the average student (I&#8217;m talking about higher ed) that motivated?  Do they have the time (after all they have huge workloads both in terms of study, family &amp; work)? </p>
<p>Forgive me, but am feeling rather cynical today. But I wonder how much of our dream will be shared by the average student?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/11/27/castles-in-the-cloud/comment-page-1/#comment-2049</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, there are some really talented people out there!  I&#039;ve already circulated this video to my department.  It&#039;s a great overview I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, there are some really talented people out there!  I&#8217;ve already circulated this video to my department.  It&#8217;s a great overview I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Marie Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Marie Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for linking to this. It is really useful and inspiring:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for linking to this. It is really useful and inspiring:)</p>
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