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		<title>By: Sarah Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everyone, I certainly agree that teachers are going to have to become more and more flexible and attuned to learners needs. But the tension &amp; problems will come when the flexibility of the teacher collides with the inflexibility of educational institutional policies and processes. As teachers, how do you feel we can deal with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone, I certainly agree that teachers are going to have to become more and more flexible and attuned to learners needs. But the tension &amp; problems will come when the flexibility of the teacher collides with the inflexibility of educational institutional policies and processes. As teachers, how do you feel we can deal with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Sui Fai John Mak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sui Fai John Mak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your valuable insights.  I agree with you that educators are still students and still learners.  I have posted my full response on the role of learners on my blog:http://suifaijohnmak.wordpress.com 

Cheers.
John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your valuable insights.  I agree with you that educators are still students and still learners.  I have posted my full response on the role of learners on my blog:http://suifaijohnmak.wordpress.com </p>
<p>Cheers.<br />
John</p>
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		<title>By: Role of learners - A response to Mike &#171; Suifaijohnmak&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Role of learners - A response to Mike &#171; Suifaijohnmak&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ruthdemitroff</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruthdemitroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teachers create their own relevancy.  If they believe they have a gift for teaching - that they are Michelangelo discerning the David in the block of marble with the skill to chip away the rough edges until the world can actually be moved the masterpiece - those teachers will have students making pilgrimages to study at their feet.  
One of the differences in our culture is the idea that people can make a decision on their own to become a teacher. A tribal model would be to have the community gather and make a decision that the community required a teacher.  If so, the tribal elders would decide who amongst the tribe had the necessary combination of characteristics to be the teacher and that person would be sent out by the tribe to be prepared.  Sometimes a small village is willing to invest quite heavily into the preparation of their teacher - sending their future teacher to an A level educational institution in a foreign land to get the best training available.
It&#039;s easier to think maybe I made the wrong choice than it is to think that the elders in my tribe made the wrong choice.  People who think they can be replaced by a computer lack the belief that they have a calling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teachers create their own relevancy.  If they believe they have a gift for teaching &#8211; that they are Michelangelo discerning the David in the block of marble with the skill to chip away the rough edges until the world can actually be moved the masterpiece &#8211; those teachers will have students making pilgrimages to study at their feet.<br />
One of the differences in our culture is the idea that people can make a decision on their own to become a teacher. A tribal model would be to have the community gather and make a decision that the community required a teacher.  If so, the tribal elders would decide who amongst the tribe had the necessary combination of characteristics to be the teacher and that person would be sent out by the tribe to be prepared.  Sometimes a small village is willing to invest quite heavily into the preparation of their teacher &#8211; sending their future teacher to an A level educational institution in a foreign land to get the best training available.<br />
It&#8217;s easier to think maybe I made the wrong choice than it is to think that the elders in my tribe made the wrong choice.  People who think they can be replaced by a computer lack the belief that they have a calling.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing on my previous train of thought, I think that change will happen slowly not simply because of reluctance or resistance, but also because of the unexplored nature of the landscape.  

If most educators are accustomed to only certain ways of doing things - be that instructivist lectures or otherwise - acclimating to a prospect and/or need for change is only one part of the equation.  Equally important is realising where to go next - not just in terms of where the see themselves in a new paradigm, but where they want to be; and therefore what the next indicated step is in their professional development.  

If Connectivism stresses that learners interpret knowledge based upon their own context, surely this would apply to educators as well, since they would be grappling with a very new concept in their own right - and indeed becoming a learner themselves.

As far as teachers feeling threatened by changes of this nature, I can understand where their concerns lay.  At the same time though I think a new learning landscape in the sense we&#039;re talking about here does not eliminate the need for teachers, it merely changes the nature of their place within it.

And for that matter, as George and Stephen have shown, instruction and lectures can and are still delivered in distributed, open courses.  It just so happens that some times the teachers never know who is benefiting from their lectures.  

I for one watched many of Stephen&#039;s recordings prior to engaging with CCK08, and closely followed George&#039;s blog posts.  To me the result of the experience was very similar to a mass lecture in which the instructor is unable to engage directly with each individual student.  Despite a lack of immediate external/social connection I was still able to gain a better appreciation of the concept or idea being discussed, and therefore to make conceptual connections that had not previously occurred to me.

You mentioned the importance of teachers remembering they were students once.  I think it&#039;s critical to keep this notion in the present tense - that educators are still students and still learners.  By viewing ourselves as both educators AND learners our perspective on our place within the landscape changes drastically, as does our relationship with other students.

You asked &quot;Is teaching still a noble profession?&quot;  My answer is a resounding Yes!  So too is my optimism for the future of the role of teachers in learning - I just think it&#039;s destined to change and adapt, as we all do to changes in our circumstances and conditions.

Cheers,

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing on my previous train of thought, I think that change will happen slowly not simply because of reluctance or resistance, but also because of the unexplored nature of the landscape.  </p>
<p>If most educators are accustomed to only certain ways of doing things &#8211; be that instructivist lectures or otherwise &#8211; acclimating to a prospect and/or need for change is only one part of the equation.  Equally important is realising where to go next &#8211; not just in terms of where the see themselves in a new paradigm, but where they want to be; and therefore what the next indicated step is in their professional development.  </p>
<p>If Connectivism stresses that learners interpret knowledge based upon their own context, surely this would apply to educators as well, since they would be grappling with a very new concept in their own right &#8211; and indeed becoming a learner themselves.</p>
<p>As far as teachers feeling threatened by changes of this nature, I can understand where their concerns lay.  At the same time though I think a new learning landscape in the sense we&#8217;re talking about here does not eliminate the need for teachers, it merely changes the nature of their place within it.</p>
<p>And for that matter, as George and Stephen have shown, instruction and lectures can and are still delivered in distributed, open courses.  It just so happens that some times the teachers never know who is benefiting from their lectures.  </p>
<p>I for one watched many of Stephen&#8217;s recordings prior to engaging with CCK08, and closely followed George&#8217;s blog posts.  To me the result of the experience was very similar to a mass lecture in which the instructor is unable to engage directly with each individual student.  Despite a lack of immediate external/social connection I was still able to gain a better appreciation of the concept or idea being discussed, and therefore to make conceptual connections that had not previously occurred to me.</p>
<p>You mentioned the importance of teachers remembering they were students once.  I think it&#8217;s critical to keep this notion in the present tense &#8211; that educators are still students and still learners.  By viewing ourselves as both educators AND learners our perspective on our place within the landscape changes drastically, as does our relationship with other students.</p>
<p>You asked &#8220;Is teaching still a noble profession?&#8221;  My answer is a resounding Yes!  So too is my optimism for the future of the role of teachers in learning &#8211; I just think it&#8217;s destined to change and adapt, as we all do to changes in our circumstances and conditions.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: If everyone is learning on their own, or with their network, what is the role of the teacher? &#171; Suifaijohnmak&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>If everyone is learning on their own, or with their network, what is the role of the teacher? &#171; Suifaijohnmak&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sui Fai John Mak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sui Fai John Mak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,
Thanks for your response.  I agree with your views taht such change will only happen slowly.  I have been a teacher since 1985, and have experienced a lot of changes in teaching and learning practices during the last 28 years.  Since 2000, I have been doing on-the-job training whereas there are practically no physical classes as such as the Universities.  I started with zero student to a few hundreds for the past years.  What I found was a fundamental shift in the learning paradigm, where learning is the key to education, rather than teaching.  I know my idealogy will be vehemently opposed by other instructivists, as well as other professional teachers, where they would feel threatened or might be worried that they would lose their jobs.  Imagine, if everyone is learning on their own, what is the role of the teacher?  I shared such feelings in 2000, but has now been totally convinced that such thing would only happen if teachers are unwilling to accept and adapt to changes.  That is there is still an important role for every teacher to play, only that teachers must be flexible and proactive in meeting the learner&#039;s needs.  In other words, I think best practice in teaching is based on a learner centred approach, where learner&#039;s needs must come first.  Without learners, why employ teachers?  And without teachers, who would be guiding the learners (especially the kids and teenagers) the &quot;right&quot; values?  So, in summary, teachers must share their experience and knowledge with learners by putting learner first.  Remember, at some time, we were the learners, did we learn from our teachers?  For me, I must admit that I learn best from those teachers who are empathetic, and willing to understand my needs.  These are just my personal reflections, but I hope other teachers could understand why we are moving in such directions - towards a learner centred model of teaching and learning.  Is teaching still a noble profession?  What do you see will be the future of teachers? With renewed thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,<br />
Thanks for your response.  I agree with your views taht such change will only happen slowly.  I have been a teacher since 1985, and have experienced a lot of changes in teaching and learning practices during the last 28 years.  Since 2000, I have been doing on-the-job training whereas there are practically no physical classes as such as the Universities.  I started with zero student to a few hundreds for the past years.  What I found was a fundamental shift in the learning paradigm, where learning is the key to education, rather than teaching.  I know my idealogy will be vehemently opposed by other instructivists, as well as other professional teachers, where they would feel threatened or might be worried that they would lose their jobs.  Imagine, if everyone is learning on their own, what is the role of the teacher?  I shared such feelings in 2000, but has now been totally convinced that such thing would only happen if teachers are unwilling to accept and adapt to changes.  That is there is still an important role for every teacher to play, only that teachers must be flexible and proactive in meeting the learner&#8217;s needs.  In other words, I think best practice in teaching is based on a learner centred approach, where learner&#8217;s needs must come first.  Without learners, why employ teachers?  And without teachers, who would be guiding the learners (especially the kids and teenagers) the &#8220;right&#8221; values?  So, in summary, teachers must share their experience and knowledge with learners by putting learner first.  Remember, at some time, we were the learners, did we learn from our teachers?  For me, I must admit that I learn best from those teachers who are empathetic, and willing to understand my needs.  These are just my personal reflections, but I hope other teachers could understand why we are moving in such directions &#8211; towards a learner centred model of teaching and learning.  Is teaching still a noble profession?  What do you see will be the future of teachers? With renewed thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sui Fai,

Thanks for the thoughts.  At the best of times any change in higher education is a very slow one.  This particular change would involve/require a fundamental shift in culture and in a sense the displacement of the educator from their traditional position at the top of the hierarchy.  This makes it even more of an issue - some might call it a threat in fact - and one that is likely to be vehemently opposed by instructivists.

So to be realistic, when you ask if I think this will happen, my response is &quot;only very slowly, and most likely in pockets.&quot;  

I imagine that some educators will see the logic in the model and start to experiment with its implementation (if they haven&#039;t already done so); but they&#039;ll almost certainly be the exceptions to the rule.

Any real systemic change is going to require a lot of time and discussion.

Cheers,

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sui Fai,</p>
<p>Thanks for the thoughts.  At the best of times any change in higher education is a very slow one.  This particular change would involve/require a fundamental shift in culture and in a sense the displacement of the educator from their traditional position at the top of the hierarchy.  This makes it even more of an issue &#8211; some might call it a threat in fact &#8211; and one that is likely to be vehemently opposed by instructivists.</p>
<p>So to be realistic, when you ask if I think this will happen, my response is &#8220;only very slowly, and most likely in pockets.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I imagine that some educators will see the logic in the model and start to experiment with its implementation (if they haven&#8217;t already done so); but they&#8217;ll almost certainly be the exceptions to the rule.</p>
<p>Any real systemic change is going to require a lot of time and discussion.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Role of educational institutions and structure to support education and learning &#171; Suifaijohnmak&#8217;s Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Role of educational institutions and structure to support education and learning &#171; Suifaijohnmak&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Sui Fai John Mak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sui Fai John Mak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read your article with interest.
It&#039;s important to reflect on the role of educator and educational institutions such as universities and colleges.
I suppose that universities still play an important role in its accreditation of the courses and employment of professionals (professors, instructors, designers etc.) who would continue to serve the learners.  I also think that there is a need to inverting the pyramid of hierarchical structure in the learners could be at the peak of the pyramid upon which all educational institutions and their infrastructure, professionals, technology and networks are means to support both education and learning.
This could be a huge challenge to both the educational institutions, teaching and supporting professionals, networks and society.  In this connection, both formal and informal education becomes the pillar of every individual and network, with the ultimate goal of serving the needs of the individuals and society.
My questions is: Do you think this would happen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your article with interest.<br />
It&#8217;s important to reflect on the role of educator and educational institutions such as universities and colleges.<br />
I suppose that universities still play an important role in its accreditation of the courses and employment of professionals (professors, instructors, designers etc.) who would continue to serve the learners.  I also think that there is a need to inverting the pyramid of hierarchical structure in the learners could be at the peak of the pyramid upon which all educational institutions and their infrastructure, professionals, technology and networks are means to support both education and learning.<br />
This could be a huge challenge to both the educational institutions, teaching and supporting professionals, networks and society.  In this connection, both formal and informal education becomes the pillar of every individual and network, with the ultimate goal of serving the needs of the individuals and society.<br />
My questions is: Do you think this would happen?</p>
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