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	<title>Comments on: Edublogs.org Plagued by Outage</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/02/29/edublogsorg-plagued-by-outage/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to log into edublogs or even just look at my blog, and it was a no go.  "Cannot modify header" error kept coming up.  My biggest annoyance with edublogs.org is that there is no way to contact a real person for help unless you are logged in.  Well, idiots, I can't log in when your stupid site is broken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to log into edublogs or even just look at my blog, and it was a no go.  &#8220;Cannot modify header&#8221; error kept coming up.  My biggest annoyance with edublogs.org is that there is no way to contact a real person for help unless you are logged in.  Well, idiots, I can&#8217;t log in when your stupid site is broken.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/02/29/edublogsorg-plagued-by-outage/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kevin,

I quite agree.  Especially for people new to technology, there is the expectation that applications will always work and will never fail.  Even after working in the industry for a number of years now I'm still caught off guard and seriously annoyed when one of my favourite app's goes belly up.  Just take Twitter for example.

I must say though that the fact James went out to several blogs (including mine) to actually address and respond to the complaints being leveled against the app was a seriously classy touch.

Some might call that damage control; I call it fantastic customer service.

Cheers,

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kevin,</p>
<p>I quite agree.  Especially for people new to technology, there is the expectation that applications will always work and will never fail.  Even after working in the industry for a number of years now I&#8217;m still caught off guard and seriously annoyed when one of my favourite app&#8217;s goes belly up.  Just take Twitter for example.</p>
<p>I must say though that the fact James went out to several blogs (including mine) to actually address and respond to the complaints being leveled against the app was a seriously classy touch.</p>
<p>Some might call that damage control; I call it fantastic customer service.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/02/29/edublogsorg-plagued-by-outage/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike
I suppose there is the reality that things are gonna happen but it sure does suck when those things happen when you are least expecting it. (I luckily had some backup plans at a wiki site for lessons with my students yesterday).
Still, I love Edublogs and still think James Farmer and his assorted helpers (they move like elves in the wires, I am convinced) is one of the best things for teachers moving into blogging.
But I can imagine the frustration of a teacher just trying out new tech and being hit by the down signal from Edublogs.
Oh well.
Take care
Kevin

PS -- Got you in my RSS reader now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike<br />
I suppose there is the reality that things are gonna happen but it sure does suck when those things happen when you are least expecting it. (I luckily had some backup plans at a wiki site for lessons with my students yesterday).<br />
Still, I love Edublogs and still think James Farmer and his assorted helpers (they move like elves in the wires, I am convinced) is one of the best things for teachers moving into blogging.<br />
But I can imagine the frustration of a teacher just trying out new tech and being hit by the down signal from Edublogs.<br />
Oh well.<br />
Take care<br />
Kevin</p>
<p>PS &#8212; Got you in my RSS reader now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/02/29/edublogsorg-plagued-by-outage/#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

Thanks for the clarification.  I'll post a correction with your comments.  Glad to see you guys are back up and running too.

Please don't take my comments as criticism either.  As I said, I help support applications, so I know the occassional hiccup is unavoidable.

Furthermore Edublogs is a fantastic thing for educators and has created an invaluable network through which collaboration and discussion can take place.

Best of luck to you!

Cheers,

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification.  I&#8217;ll post a correction with your comments.  Glad to see you guys are back up and running too.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take my comments as criticism either.  As I said, I help support applications, so I know the occassional hiccup is unavoidable.</p>
<p>Furthermore Edublogs is a fantastic thing for educators and has created an invaluable network through which collaboration and discussion can take place.</p>
<p>Best of luck to you!</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: James Farmer</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/02/29/edublogsorg-plagued-by-outage/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>James Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Completely agree, it was a pretty poor show by us and we've taken steps to make sure it doesn't happen again - it's a typical painful side-effect of new features (like the forums) meeting old features (like the cache) for the first time in a high load environment :(

Just to clarify a few things though the site wasn't down (people could still log in and do stuff) but some users couldn't see their blogs... I know this is as good as a 'might as well be down' though so no excuses.

The problems lasted between 4-6 hours.

Cheers, James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Completely agree, it was a pretty poor show by us and we&#8217;ve taken steps to make sure it doesn&#8217;t happen again - it&#8217;s a typical painful side-effect of new features (like the forums) meeting old features (like the cache) for the first time in a high load environment <img src='http://techticker.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Just to clarify a few things though the site wasn&#8217;t down (people could still log in and do stuff) but some users couldn&#8217;t see their blogs&#8230; I know this is as good as a &#8216;might as well be down&#8217; though so no excuses.</p>
<p>The problems lasted between 4-6 hours.</p>
<p>Cheers, James</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Web App Outage Updates Reflection 2.0</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/02/29/edublogsorg-plagued-by-outage/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Web App Outage Updates Reflection 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] After an outage for most of the day, Edublogs is obviously up and running again! I still love and support the service, but am extremely glad I wasn&#8217;t doing a workshop on this today. I fully support Edublogs, as shown by my supporter status, and think James Farmer has been getting slammed unnecessarily for some of his recent changes to the platform. I can&#8217;t imagine attempting to do what he does. Many educators have been given an excellent service to help bring blogging into their classrooms. Outages like today&#8217;s though, make actually USING these blogs rather difficult. That being said, here is Mike Bogle&#8217;s post &#8220;Edublogs.org Plagued by Outage&#8220; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After an outage for most of the day, Edublogs is obviously up and running again! I still love and support the service, but am extremely glad I wasn&#8217;t doing a workshop on this today. I fully support Edublogs, as shown by my supporter status, and think James Farmer has been getting slammed unnecessarily for some of his recent changes to the platform. I can&#8217;t imagine attempting to do what he does. Many educators have been given an excellent service to help bring blogging into their classrooms. Outages like today&#8217;s though, make actually USING these blogs rather difficult. That being said, here is Mike Bogle&#8217;s post &#8220;Edublogs.org Plagued by Outage&#8220; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bogle</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/02/29/edublogsorg-plagued-by-outage/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bogle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kate,

I completely agree.  Unfortunately as your post today highlighted ("&lt;a href="http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/2008/02/28/dependence-on-web-apps/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dependence on Web Apps&lt;/a&gt;")
&lt;blockquote&gt;"...as more and more of the popular web tool sites are experiencing downtime and outages or loss of data (examples: twitter, voicethread, edublogs, wikispaces)…….how much should we rely on these services for the bulk of our work?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;
In my neck of the woods - on-campus providers of eLearning services and support - this conversation is absolutely in the front of our minds right now.

The rise of the Personal Learning Environment (PLE) has afforded a tremendous amount of flexibility and opportunity for staff and students to carve out their own learning systems online using a wide range of applications.  This effectively opens to door to access to far more options than an institution or school could ever hope to run and support on their own.

However as the edublogs outage today illustrates, there are serious implications to be considered in doing this.

When staff begin to use externally hosted services they are taking student data and placing it in the hands of people who don't work for the institution.  While these providers don't want outages anymore than we do, their motivations and priorities are inherently different than those of academia.

The situation as I see it is schools and universities must start to be demand driven rather than supply focussed.  It is the responsibility of the institution to ensure student data and privacy are protected in all activities - online and offline - and this will mean starting to offer locally hosted instances of popular external applications.

In the case of blogs, Wordpress is opensource and freely available.  It is also the pseudo-industry standard blogging platform.  Therefore institutions should be looking to install locally hosted instances on institution-run systems.  Not only will this insure the data is protected via back-ups and well within the control of the institution, it will also enable policy makers to guarantee the intellectual property rights remain in the hands of the schools.

End-User Licensing agreements aren't something everyone reads carefully, and it's an unfortunate possibility that in hosting school/uni data off campus instructors would open the door to use of the content in ways that wasn't originally intended by instructors and students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate,</p>
<p>I completely agree.  Unfortunately as your post today highlighted (&#8221;<a href="http://googtweetblog.edublogs.org/2008/02/28/dependence-on-web-apps/" rel="nofollow">Dependence on Web Apps</a>&#8220;)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;as more and more of the popular web tool sites are experiencing downtime and outages or loss of data (examples: twitter, voicethread, edublogs, wikispaces)…….how much should we rely on these services for the bulk of our work?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>In my neck of the woods - on-campus providers of eLearning services and support - this conversation is absolutely in the front of our minds right now.</p>
<p>The rise of the Personal Learning Environment (PLE) has afforded a tremendous amount of flexibility and opportunity for staff and students to carve out their own learning systems online using a wide range of applications.  This effectively opens to door to access to far more options than an institution or school could ever hope to run and support on their own.</p>
<p>However as the edublogs outage today illustrates, there are serious implications to be considered in doing this.</p>
<p>When staff begin to use externally hosted services they are taking student data and placing it in the hands of people who don&#8217;t work for the institution.  While these providers don&#8217;t want outages anymore than we do, their motivations and priorities are inherently different than those of academia.</p>
<p>The situation as I see it is schools and universities must start to be demand driven rather than supply focussed.  It is the responsibility of the institution to ensure student data and privacy are protected in all activities - online and offline - and this will mean starting to offer locally hosted instances of popular external applications.</p>
<p>In the case of blogs, Wordpress is opensource and freely available.  It is also the pseudo-industry standard blogging platform.  Therefore institutions should be looking to install locally hosted instances on institution-run systems.  Not only will this insure the data is protected via back-ups and well within the control of the institution, it will also enable policy makers to guarantee the intellectual property rights remain in the hands of the schools.</p>
<p>End-User Licensing agreements aren&#8217;t something everyone reads carefully, and it&#8217;s an unfortunate possibility that in hosting school/uni data off campus instructors would open the door to use of the content in ways that wasn&#8217;t originally intended by instructors and students.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Olson</title>
		<link>http://techticker.net/2008/02/29/edublogsorg-plagued-by-outage/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an avid edublogs user and advocate, I have to say that today's outage did bother me quite a bit. The inconvenience of being unable to access my blog was one issue, but the larger one is my credibility in advocating blogging in education and edublogs specifically. I have put a lot of time into training colleagues and others on edublogs and outages such as this just reinforce the idea that technology can often be more trouble than help. I'm not about to stop using edublogs, but I'm worried that incidents like today's will just frustrate many educators new to blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an avid edublogs user and advocate, I have to say that today&#8217;s outage did bother me quite a bit. The inconvenience of being unable to access my blog was one issue, but the larger one is my credibility in advocating blogging in education and edublogs specifically. I have put a lot of time into training colleagues and others on edublogs and outages such as this just reinforce the idea that technology can often be more trouble than help. I&#8217;m not about to stop using edublogs, but I&#8217;m worried that incidents like today&#8217;s will just frustrate many educators new to blogging.</p>
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